It is astonishing to me how many players do not have the decency of allowing a rematch, after winning.
I've seen low levels, high levels, tons of players that do not have the courtesy of allowing their opponent to play another match.
My blacklist keeps growing, but really it makes me lose a little faith in humanity seeing so many players with no sense of fair play.
Since when are you entitled to a rematch? lol
I usually only play one game at a time and take a break, so I never rematch anyone. I imagine others are the same. People aren't playing Dominion for your benefit! I'd say have respect for their choices of what to do with their time.
You are probably right, expecting some chivalry is so last century.
Sometimes I only have time for one game. If you'd like a rematch, maybe ask and then the other person will know you'd like it and can tell you if they can't and why.
It's just not that serious imo.
Quote from: sisif on 30 April 2017, 03:34:56 AM
You are probably right, expecting some chivalry is so last century.
Expecting chivalry is totally fine, even though what it actually means is a bit vague. And of course you're entitled to come up with your own definition and put everyone on your blacklist that doesn't live up to your expectations.
But please be aware that that's what they are - your personal expectations. For example I don't agree with your definition here. I think it's fine if people just want to play one game and leave after that, assuming they end the game in a somewhat respectful manner of course. In my book just leaving after one game is fine, whereas after player a couple of games I would expect you to say some form of goodbye. Regardless of the number of games and/or who won them, you're never supposed to play another game if you don't feel like it.
To be polite, you can always say, "thanks, gotta go" before leaving the table. Then your opponent will never know that you know you got lucky and are afraid to be crushed into a powdery goo in a rematch.
I never leave after winning the first game, it feels like the decent thing to allow your opponent the chance of a rematch.
If for some reason I must leave, i apologize and let the player know in advance that I won't be able to play another game.
But then again, that's me, my expectations.
To me, allowing your opponent a rematch is just common sense, and I don't need to play with someone who bolts after one win, thus I add them to MY blacklist.
Fine, if that's what you want to do, you will, in all likelihood, only play me once. I have a very busy schedule and am often only able to play one game at a time, win or lose. It's not meant as disrespect for you, just the reality for me.
Quote from: sisif on 01 May 2017, 10:04:32 PM
I never leave after winning the first game, it feels like the decent thing to allow your opponent the chance of a rematch.
When does this perceived obligation for a rematch end?
After someone wins two in a row? Best of 5? Best of some sufficiently large odd number?
Quote from: Cave-O-Sapien on 03 May 2017, 07:00:58 PM
After someone wins two in a row? Best of 5? Best of some sufficiently large odd number?
yes
The notion that one is obligated to offer a rematch, whether they won or lost, is absolutely ridiculous. This should be obvious to any rational person. Sorry if this offends anyone.
Quote from: gitsticker8 on 04 May 2017, 01:30:02 AM
The notion that one is obligated to offer a rematch, whether they won or lost, is absolutely ridiculous. This should be obvious to any rational person. Sorry if this offends anyone.
Are you high? Who said anyone was obligated to do anything, or suggested that they should be?
I already said I am old school, I have expectations like if I tell you 'Hi', you 'should' say 'hi'.
You are not obligated to say it, but if you don't I tend to consider you an asshole. Of course most of the players here would consider you to be cool, for not reciprocating a mundane 'hi'.
I was just curious how many players would think that giving your opponent a rematch is an elegant thing to do. I think I pretty much got my answer.
Apparently I am a dinosaur.
Quote from: sisif on 04 May 2017, 03:17:45 PM
Quote from: gitsticker8 on 04 May 2017, 01:30:02 AM
The notion that one is obligated to offer a rematch, whether they won or lost, is absolutely ridiculous. This should be obvious to any rational person. Sorry if this offends anyone.
Are you high? Who said anyone was obligated to do anything, or suggested that they should be?
I already said I am old school, I have expectations like if I tell you 'Hi', you 'should' say 'hi'.
You are not obligated to say it, but if you don't I tend to consider you an asshole. Of course most of the players here would consider you to be cool, for not reciprocating a mundane 'hi'.
I was just curious how many players would think that giving your opponent a rematch is an elegant thing to do. I think I pretty much got my answer.
Apparently I am a dinosaur.
I don't think this has anything to do with your age. You are conflating "saying hi" with "spend an extra 10-30 minutes playing this game with me." They aren't the same type of social obligation at all.
Quote from: jsh on 04 May 2017, 03:44:35 PM
I don't think this has anything to do with your age. You are conflating "saying hi" with "spend an extra 10-30 minutes playing this game with me." They aren't the same type of social obligation at all.
It's getting amusing. I guess this post has become a platform for shrink wannabes.
Quote from: jsh on 04 May 2017, 03:44:35 PM
I don't think this has anything to do with your age. You are conflating "saying hi" with "spend an extra 10-30 minutes playing this game with me." They aren't the same type of social obligation at all.
Seriously, this is kinda crazy to me. I never once considered that rematches might be the expected thing to do or that I'd be looked down upon for not doing so. Do most people only play when they have a huge block of available time? No one squeezes in a game when they have a few minutes, or if they do they have to be apologetic? Wow.
Quote from: sisif on 04 May 2017, 03:17:45 PM
Are you high? Who said anyone was obligated to do anything, or suggested that they should be?
You did.
Quote from: sisif on 04 May 2017, 12:08:01 AM
Quote from: Cave-O-Sapien on 03 May 2017, 07:00:58 PM
When does this perceived obligation for a rematch end?
After someone wins two in a row? Best of 5? Best of some sufficiently large odd number?
yes
Decency, elegance, courtesy... these are not qualities that are expressed by offering everyone a rematch; and certainly not by holding others to such a standard.
Quote from: gitsticker8 on 04 May 2017, 04:59:47 PM
You did.
Maybe you can quote me on that? Show me where i said anyone was obliged to do anything.
If i say 'it is amazing how many people smoke' does it mean people are obliged to stop smoking?
I stated my opinion and that was it. I will just continue to accept a rematch from people who want one, and blacklist those whom i consider to be assholes. Is that ok with you, or should I maybe require some sort of permission? 8)
I included a quote.
No it doesn't mean people are obliged to stop smoking.
No you don't need my permission.
And yes, this thread has become pointless. Mods can we lock it please? :-X
Quote from: gitsticker8 on 05 May 2017, 01:32:06 AM
I included a quote.
The "YES"? I guess sarcasm is a foreign language for most people...
Conveying sarcasm as one word replies in an honest discussion is also tricky.
Quote from: Ingix on 05 May 2017, 03:21:26 PM
Conveying sarcasm as one word replies in an honest discussion is also tricky.
If you read the question that generated the one word answer, it might be more obvious.
Quote from: sisif on 05 May 2017, 06:50:32 PM
Quote from: Ingix on 05 May 2017, 03:21:26 PM
Conveying sarcasm as one word replies in an honest discussion is also tricky.
If you read the question that generated the one word answer, it might be more obvious.
It was an honest, reasonable question. I'm still interested in hearing what your answer is.
Quote from: sisif on 05 May 2017, 06:50:32 PM
Quote from: Ingix on 05 May 2017, 03:21:26 PM
Conveying sarcasm as one word replies in an honest discussion is also tricky.
If you read the question that generated the one word answer, it might be more obvious.
Of course I realized that this was not a straight answer, because it was not even an answer. I could not understand it, so I ignored it. Other people cannot look into your head, and what may be totally obvious to you is not to others, with the usual visual cues of personal communication missing.
The result one can see here: Someone took you seriously and you are now 'fighting' where one party thinks that the other party said something (which it did) while the other party thinks it should have been obvious that this was sarcasm.
Quote from: Cave-O-Sapien on 05 May 2017, 08:35:04 PM
It was an honest, reasonable question. I'm still interested in hearing what your answer is.
It was not a question, it was an avalanche of questions.
Anyway, although i have already stated my position, here is again.
If i win the first game, i owe my opponent a rematch (not 5, not 10, I owe one rematch)
If i lose (especially if it a very close game) I kind of feel entitled to a rematch.
Quote from: sisif on 06 May 2017, 02:23:59 PM
Quote from: Cave-O-Sapien on 05 May 2017, 08:35:04 PM
It was an honest, reasonable question. I'm still interested in hearing what your answer is.
It was not a question, it was an avalanche of questions.
Anyway, although i have already stated my position, here is again.
If i win the first game, i owe my opponent a rematch (not 5, not 10, I owe one rematch)
If i lose (especially if it a very close game) I kind of feel entitled to a rematch.
So you'd prefer two-game matches?
I've played over 400 games and only ever rematched once. It was because the guy asked me to right before I left the table. I was happy to oblige because I had the time, but I don't always. I usually leave right after the game, and usually, so does the other person.
To me this is normal, and rematches are the outlier.
Speaking of rematches... if both players choose to play another game together by pressing the "ready" button, does the losing player from the previous game always go first? I've played a few series over the past few days and this always seems to be the case.
It is in the rules that the loosing player goes first in the next game. This rule is surely intended for real-life use, but its a nice detail if online dominion follows it.