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Once that player has a new account, they will possibly matched against all those players that have Johnsy on their backlist. You cannot prevent that player from taking pride in something like the rating. What you can do is make the impact that player has on your life as small as possible, by blacklisting them and moving on.

I understand that you want to punish that player and that you think that forcing him onto a new account is punishment. It isn't. They will start just start again.

Thanks for the report, and you did the right thing by blacklisting them. It's unlikely that that player will change their mind, but if that account is banned (which AFAIK has happenend in the past for that player's previous account(s)), they will just make a new one that isn't on "everybody's" blacklist.

AI bugs / Re: how to play a discarded card (via Vassal)?
« on: 15 March 2019, 01:48:36 PM »
The internal error when trying to load your game suggests that there was a problem in addition to what is described in the other thread.

AI bugs / Re: how to play a discarded card (via Vassal)?
« on: 14 March 2019, 07:25:15 PM »
Maybe it's not a bug but a misleading UI. After more descriptions from the poster of the other thread, it may be that you were both mislead by the UI. Read my (possible) explanation here: http://forum.shuffleit.nl/index.php?topic=3439.msg15081#msg15081

Card Bugs / Re: Vassal / Throne wouldn't play
« on: 14 March 2019, 07:23:02 PM »
I've appended a picture that shows what automatic effects can happen at a start of turn. There is no way this could be put into the central information area and still be understandable. I guess it may not be possible to get this much in the base game, but the UI has to work with everything. Even then, relevant cards not in play (set aside or Duration cards) are unfortunately only visible when explicitely 'looking' for them. It's not good, but screen space is unfortunately limited.

You are of course right that experienced online players learn to live with all those little sharp edges that make the game less than optimal. And it's good that new players (which I assume you to be, at least for online play) remind us that these things could be better.

But I just don't understand why those 2 cases, that seem very similar to me on the UI side, seem not to be similar to you and Josh (the person from the other thread I mentioned), and also probably to many others that don't write here. Both times you need to click on the "Play Action" button if you want to play the card.

Card Bugs / Re: Vassal / Throne wouldn't play
« on: 14 March 2019, 04:17:38 PM »
Thanks again for the report!

First, if you want to upload a picture, click on "Attachments and other options" just below the area where you type your post, then select "Attach".

I *think* what's happening and what is confusing you is the difference when playing the card with Vassal is your only option, vs. when you may be able to do other things.

The case 1) would be hand of say 4 Copper and Vassal. You play Vassal and it hits a Smithy. In this case, you either play that Smithy, or your Action phase is over. That is presented with

a) a "Play Action" and "Don't play" button in the play area,
b) a message in the central information area saying "You may play a Smithy",
c) a messege in the log area saying "You may play a Smithy from your discard pile"

I *think* when you wrote

Usually if Vassal hits an action card it will tell me in a message what the card is

you are referring to my part b) above.

Now the picture changes a bit if you have other options. In case 2) that's usually the case if you have Actions available and Action cards in your hand. In your game #24522571, you had played Festival before (so one Action to spare) and you had Militia in hand.

So when you played Vassal and it hit another Festival, you had 2 options: Play the Festival from your discard pile, or (ignore the Vassal effect, leave the Festival where it is and) play the Milita from your hand.

This is presented in the game as follows

a) a "Play Action" button in the play area,
b) a message in the central information area saying "You may play Actions",
c) two messages in the log area saying "play an Action from your hand." and "You may play a Festival from your discard pile" (they can be seen in what you copied into your post)
d) the "End Actions" button in the char area.

The difference to the previous case:

a) no "Don't play" button. Not playing the Festival is implicitely done by either playing the Militia or pressing "End Actions"
b) the message in the central informations area is showing only one option
c) two options are shown in the log area instead of just one.

The general idea behind this whole setup (that happens in many cases with different options) is that in the log area, text can scroll, so the game can present all options, and often (but not in this case) requires selecting the option by clicking there.

In the central information area, the space is limited, so only a short guidline can be shown. Unfortunately, in the second case with options, instead of the central information area telling you to choose between the options, it shows incorrect text that makes you believe you cannot play the Festival.

So I can see that if you usually encounter case 1), the incorrect text in the center can mislead you in case 2). OTOH, the button "Play Action" is there, and AFAIK it exists only for Vassal or similar cards (Herald), so this should be a good indicator that it should be clicked to do what you want, just in case 1).

At the core of the confusion lies what has been negatively remarked before: A player should not need to look into the log area for 'normal' game interaction, like Vassal.

I hope this was helpful, if not in solving the main issue (you did that yourself) but in showing the different parts of the game where important information may be shown.

AI bugs / Re: how to play a discarded card (via Vassal)?
« on: 13 March 2019, 10:38:48 PM »
It seems you are not alone with this bug, it happend to another player as well:


I still have no idea under what circumstances it may occur.

Card Bugs / Re: Vassal / Throne wouldn't play
« on: 13 March 2019, 10:37:25 PM »
First, thanks for the report!

You're the second person today to mention basically the same problem, the other thread is here: http://forum.shuffleit.nl/index.php?topic=3438.0

So there is a (new?) problem that seems to happen only under special conditions (I tried to recreate the problem and couldn't). Since it's a bot game, I guess you don't have the game number any more. If this (or another bug) happens in the future, it would be really great if you noted to game number, as this allows me or others to load the game and maybe figure out what went wrong by trying (as you did yourself).

Again, thanks for reporting this.

Feature Requests / Re: Mobile Friendly page
« on: 13 March 2019, 10:28:31 PM »
Were you using the browser in fullscreen mode? On Android with Firefox and Chrome I found this to correct most "button is not/half visible" problems. I have no personal experience with iPads, though.

Feature Requests / Re: Block/report
« on: 13 March 2019, 10:24:49 PM »
As may be guessed from the number at the end of sadeas' name, that is not that player's first account, and I received multiple complaints about their behaviour in the past. As I wrote elsewhere, banning accounts is easy, banning players is harder.

AI bugs / Re: how to play a discarded card (via Vassal)?
« on: 13 March 2019, 11:07:28 AM »
Unfortunately, I couldn't load your game (internal error). I tried to recreate it as best as possible in #24497399.
You have Actions, you have Action cards in hand, you have Villagers and Vassal discards a Necropolis. The UI is equivalent to your screenshot.

That "Play Action" button under the Citadel is exactly what you are looking for. It's not a "usual button", because you play cards from your hand (profile?) by clicking on them and not by a button prompt normally. In my case, it played the Necropolis. In your case, what did happen?

Feature Requests / Re: Viewing non kingdom cards in 'Familiar Cards'
« on: 12 March 2019, 11:44:09 AM »
Again, the aim of the familiar card section is for you to indicate if you are familiar with a card. The aim is *not* to make you familiar with the cards.

I agree that a way to show all the extra cards (or card shaped objects, like Boons or Hexes) outside a game would be nice to have.

Card Bugs / Re: Ghost + Hireling does not draw cards initially
« on: 10 March 2019, 09:51:45 AM »
You're right, that's incorrect. I've added it to the known bugs list.

Thanks for the report! :)

Card Bugs / Re: Known Card Bugs
« on: 10 March 2019, 09:50:16 AM »
Modifications in March2019:

  • 19-03-10:
  • 19-03-13:
    • Added spurious Vassal not playing card bug that sometimes does not allow a player to play an Action card discarded by Vassal.

Support / Re: Code Not Giving Subscription
« on: 07 March 2019, 10:05:00 AM »
I made the developer aware of the problem and suggested both a general fix (for the future) and manual correction for the already affected players.

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