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General Discussion / Re: Undo backlash
« Last post by Quori on 20 January 2021, 07:05:01 PM »
I can view you as a poor sport for doing so.

by this logic, I can view you as an idiot for rushing and wildly clicking like a petulant and impatient child.

Does this back and forth help anyone? Does this progress the online version of the game and develop a better community?
Support / Re: Username change
« Last post by Ingix on 20 January 2021, 06:58:30 PM »
@Anti: You are Anti1447 now in the game.

@zoqfotpik: You are zoqfotpik now in the game.
Support / Re: Username change
« Last post by zoqfotpik on 20 January 2021, 06:49:13 PM »
My username is gswang, could I potentially change it to zoqfotpik?
General Discussion / Re: Undo backlash
« Last post by theWalrus on 20 January 2021, 04:41:47 PM »
The actual game does not have undos.

In-person games don't have misclicks, either. The original game does not present you with a situation where you have 3 Magpies in hand, planning to play all 3, and, after playing the first two, your hand re-renders and you accidentally click on a smithy, ending your actions for the turn before you get to play your third magpie.

The original game is played at a far more deliberate pace. A single in-person game easily takes 3x as long as an online game, and part of that is attributable to the speed with which the players make their plays. This is going to lead to some misclicks in the online game, and to situations arising (as above) that simply would never occur when playing in person.

The only way to fully mitigate against such accidental misclicks/misplays is to play the online game at the same slow, deliberate pace as in-person games. That appears to be your preference, and when I find myself matched against people who prefer this style of placing for an online game, I oblige. That's not poor sportsmanship on my part; it's smart play, sizing up my opponent and adapting my play accordingly.

Yes, you can chose to reject all undo requests out of hand. I can view you as a poor sport for doing so. We'll have to agree to disagree, and hope we never match up. (I have a pretty mediocre rating, so I imagine that won't be much of an issue; I clearly take all of this far less seriously than you do)

General Discussion / Re: Undo backlash
« Last post by Quori on 20 January 2021, 04:25:07 PM »
Ingix, I think the best solution assuming the developers want undos in the game is simply to make them always active and limited per game. 2 per player per match. no approval needed.

I do not like them, but I can get behind it if the devs feel it is absolutely necessary; it just needs guardrails in place. Additionally it is absolutely lazy and bad development to put the entirety of the process in the players hands. It absolves the developers of any blame or culpability to the ramifications of what transpires.

"Hey you denied it you have to deal with it" yeah but if you just made it mandatory then I dont have to be viewed as a "bad guy" and I can make a personal choice to play or not play if I do not like a feature of the game.

Having it in there is not the issue....allowing it to be controlled by the player is. 
Feature Requests / Re: Deciding whether to grant Undo each time is super awkward
« Last post by Quori on 20 January 2021, 03:44:03 PM »
Thanks Ingix. I have been doing these very steps; but its extra effort on my part and I still am facing it regardless.

The best solution is for players to realize...ya know like an adult...that mistakes happen and denying an undo is not a sign of the other player is some bad ju-ju player. I dont have high hopes on that one.
Support / Re: Merge Accounts?
« Last post by Stef on 20 January 2021, 11:30:08 AM »
I made a mistake and created a new account not realizing that I had an old account.  All of my contacts are on the original account but I have a paid subscription on the new account.  Both accounts are under the same email.  Is it possible to merge two accounts so I can keep the friend list and the game history?  If this isn't possible, then I guess I will just delete my old account?


I moved your subscription over to the other account.

kind regards,
General Discussion / Re: Undo backlash
« Last post by Ingix on 20 January 2021, 10:56:00 AM »
Again....the player has the choice. If it is a CHOICE, then one should not be judged and treated poorly as a result of their choice.

Come on, not being judged by a choice you make is definitely not how this works in real life. People who you did not grant an undo to and who think it should be granted have every right to be annoyed at you, just like you have every right to be annoyed by their repeated tries.

What you are right about is that you should not be treated poorly, and I have mentioed a few ways how you can minimize the effect of that on you in a response in the other thread about a similar topic.

This implementation has undos, and many people find them useful in a few situations like misclicks. Turning it off entirely for everbody I would consider a big step back, of course opinions on that might differ. Turning it off per player would be possible, but then you might find yourself in a position that you are no longer matched with any players, because there might not be enough players also choosing that option that also fullfill the other criteria.
Feature Requests / Re: Deciding whether to grant Undo each time is super awkward
« Last post by Ingix on 20 January 2021, 10:38:54 AM »
I see your point.

I'm not sure if there will be anything done in the immediate future, because the underlying problem is that the more options there are to configure automatch, the more the search gets fragemented and people don't find opponents for some time, which is a bad experience.

Of course, being harassed is an even worse experience. If you encounter anything like that, I encourage you to report them at  https://tinyurl.com/dominion-abuse so we (the mods) can take action and/or blacklist them if it's "only" annoying.

You can blacklist them during the game (click on the "3 persons" symbol below the chat and then the lightning icon of the offending player), this will stop showing you their chat. Alternatively, you can close/minimize the chat entirely by clicking on the speach bubble icon. We can't prevent the abusive chat in real time, but this allows you to minimize the effect on you.
Feature Requests / Re: Deciding whether to grant Undo each time is super awkward
« Last post by Quori on 20 January 2021, 02:37:15 AM »
Yes, mistakes happen, that do not exist in real life, like a misclick. If you are annoyed by undos, just don't grant them, your opponent has to do something else in the 4 min time frame they have.

Yes, but I am now facing constant backlash and abusivess because I deny. The feature needs to be inherently forced on in the game (You get 1, 2, 3 undos per match) or a feature that can be toggled on/off prior to a match so the two players agree ahead of time.

Additionally...having played Dominion for far longer than any digital version existed....yes misclicks didn't exist, but mistakes always have! Realizing you bought the wrong card(s), trashed the wrong card, took some wrong action....has ALWAYS been part of the game. Maybe some folks have house rules about table top undos, but again not an official thing and never something my fellow players ever considered or agreed to in a game.
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