2nd Edition Only?

[Cave-O-Sapien]

I've been a little out of the loop. I didn't even realize until a few weeks ago that there were 2nd edition cards.

Are the 1st edition cards gone from Dominion Online, never to be played with again?

[Watno]

That is indeed the current plan.

[Philothea]

I would like to see the retired cards return eventually. Players could opt out of playing with them. I would pay for retired cards, like I paid for Promos on MF.

I could see leaving them out of tournaments.

In real life, no one is going to throw away all their retired cards and never play them again. They will add the new ones in and play games with everything in the mix.

I'd also like to see fan expansions but I'm resigned to that not happening. Retired cards, though. Once the dust settles here and all features are implemented I'd really like to see retired cards come back.

[gkrieg]

I would like to see the retired cards return eventually. Players could opt out of playing with them. I would pay for retired cards, like I paid for Promos on MF.

I could see leaving them out of tournaments.

In real life, no one is going to throw away all their retired cards and never play them again. They will add the new ones in and play games with everything in the mix.

I'd also like to see fan expansions but I'm resigned to that not happening. Retired cards, though. Once the dust settles here and all features are implemented I'd really like to see retired cards come back.

I'm just curious, which of the old cards do you miss?

[JW]

Even before these 12 cards were removed, I played with only two of them IRL. There are more interesting and stronger cards, and once you own several sets there was already plenty of variety without them. The average kingdom is improved by not using the removed cards.

[Philothea]

I'm just curious, which of the old cards do you miss?

Tribute I will miss the most. Also Sabateur, Secret Chamber. Maybe even Spy a little.

[LastFootnote]

In real life, no one is going to throw away all their retired cards and never play them again. They will add the new ones in and play games with everything in the mix.

I will never play with the retired cards again. I didn't literally throw them away, but they have been removed from my collection. They make games Dominion worse, and I for one am glad they're not in the new implementation.

[Cave-O-Sapien]

In real life, no one is going to throw away all their retired cards and never play them again. They will add the new ones in and play games with everything in the mix.

I will never play with the retired cards again. I didn't literally throw them away, but they have been removed from my collection. They make games Dominion worse, and I for one am glad they're not in the new implementation.

I was surprised that Woodcutter was removed. So many cards in the base set are instrumental for teaching core concepts of the game, and that one very simply introduces players to the value of an extra buy.

[Watno]

well, so does Market.

[Ranna156]

I was surprised that Woodcutter was removed. So many cards in the base set are instrumental for teaching core concepts of the game, and that one very simply introduces players to the value of an extra buy.

I was too. I usually had my decks set up random (on MF I had them all...guess i do here now too since i bought empires) and i don't know how many times that card would show up and be the only extra buy on a board. Not necessarily a card I would choose in a premeditated deck but i didn't like that it was retired.

and @Watno the market is different because it also gives you a plus one card, +1 action, +1 coin as well as a +1 buy. The Woodcutter was different and could teach you a lot about buying it early as well...because if you wait too long and have a huge spending power, it is rare that someone wants to pay 3 coins for a card...or was it 4...whatever. I liked that card and used it. Chancellor on the other hand...i don't think i have ever once bought that card...

The other card i have had a lot of fun with and was a great teaching tool was the thief. Takes a while to learn that it isn't a card you might want to buy at the beginning of a game (unless you are going for the gardens) or even at all concerning certain decks...but it could also be a spectacularly awesome card at certain times and in certain decks.

[allanfieldhouse]

In real life, no one is going to throw away all their retired cards and never play them again. They will add the new ones in and play games with everything in the mix.

I removed all but one or two of them -- even before/without getting the update packs. Most of them simply make the game less fun than replacing it with any random card that still exists. A lot of them have some cool niche cases, but in general they just suck.

[ElisabetK]

Actually, I really liked Woodcutter in some situations - if you are going for a big cheap garden deck it was a good buy. Also Thief: when you see opponents buying Mines or getting gold-generating cards it can pay off, especially with Throne Room. But then I'm a base set player for the most part, online and IRL. Maybe I'd play better without those cards on the table though!

[gkrieg]

Actually, I really liked Woodcutter in some situations - if you are going for a big cheap garden deck it was a good buy. Also Thief: when you see opponents buying Mines or getting gold-generating cards it can pay off, especially with Throne Room. But then I'm a base set player for the most part, online and IRL. Maybe I'd play better without those cards on the table though!

Well I don't feel like you can complain about thief.  Bandit has the exact same effect, except it is like you always rob a gold (for 2-player), and it doesn't trash your opponent's coppers, which was the other major downside to thief.

[Ranna156]

Actually, I really liked Woodcutter in some situations - if you are going for a big cheap garden deck it was a good buy. Also Thief: when you see opponents buying Mines or getting gold-generating cards it can pay off, especially with Throne Room. But then I'm a base set player for the most part, online and IRL. Maybe I'd play better without those cards on the table though!

Well I don't feel like you can complain about thief.  Bandit has the exact same effect, except it is like you always rob a gold (for 2-player), and it doesn't trash your opponent's coppers, which was the other major downside to thief.

if you play with platinum and colonies though you can only ever get a gold...so i disagree on there being reasons to complain about thief. Also, isn't bandit more expensive. I can't remember...

[ElisabetK]

It looks like Bandit is better most of time, especially in two player games, but more complicated, and less interactive. I liked the straightforwardness of Thief. It was in one of the first games I played, I think, and a good introduction to player interaction. Somehow it's different when another player gets YOUR gold. Moat started looking better right about then.