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Offline Heraklit

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Re: Disable Undo for the game
« Reply #15 on: 04 October 2017, 12:29:57 PM »
Without words. There should be an option to disable undo.

Heraklit:
not after drawing
Anfrage Rückgängig zu machen abgelehnt.
sty.silver:
man I just topdecked that card
Anfrage Rückgängig zu machen abgelehnt.
sty.silver:
don't make me blacklist you
Anfrage Rückgängig zu machen abgelehnt.
Heraklit:
u can do
sty.silver:
not after drawing is a totally nonsensical policy
sty.silver:
if drawing has no hidden information
sty.silver:
there is no difference between topdecking a card and then drawing it or remodelign sth
sty.silver:
it l iteraly makes zero logical sense
sty.silver:
it's beneath a dominion player man
sty.silver hat die Verbindung verloren.

Offline Cave-O-Sapien

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Re: Disable Undo for the game
« Reply #16 on: 05 October 2017, 01:26:59 AM »
Without words. There should be an option to disable undo.

Heraklit:
not after drawing
Anfrage Rückgängig zu machen abgelehnt.
sty.silver:
man I just topdecked that card
Anfrage Rückgängig zu machen abgelehnt.
sty.silver:
don't make me blacklist you
Anfrage Rückgängig zu machen abgelehnt.
Heraklit:
u can do
sty.silver:
not after drawing is a totally nonsensical policy
sty.silver:
if drawing has no hidden information
sty.silver:
there is no difference between topdecking a card and then drawing it or remodelign sth
sty.silver:
it l iteraly makes zero logical sense
sty.silver:
it's beneath a dominion player man
sty.silver hat die Verbindung verloren.

I'm trying to follow what happened here.

He topdecked a card, then drew it, then requested an Undo?

And you said "no"?

If this is correct, then I grant this Undo 100% of the time.

BTW, this is a perfect example of why I don't think the "no Undo after new information is revealed" is the "Undo Silver Bullet" a lot of people think it is. I think it would be a nightmare to implement correctly; it would require some subjective decisions on what new information means; and for me it excludes about 50% of the cases where I would grant an Undo request in a ranked game.

Offline vinay

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Re: Disable Undo for the game
« Reply #17 on: 05 October 2017, 02:51:51 AM »
Yep, sorry Heraklit: he's right and you were being a jerk. If he topdecked a card and you were upset that he asked for an undo after he drew that very same card, there's no reason you shouldn't grant an undo. There's no information revealed there.

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Re: Disable Undo for the game
« Reply #18 on: 05 October 2017, 07:59:57 AM »
Except I am not sure If the topdecking is clear from the log.

Offline Heraklit

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Re: Disable Undo for the game
« Reply #19 on: 05 October 2017, 11:45:27 PM »
 Gopiet ist dem Tisch beigetreten.
Du trittst Spiel #7484246 auf oregon bei.
Heraklit:
hi hf no undo
Gopiet ist dem Tisch beigetreten.
Du trittst Spiel #7484456 auf oregon bei.
Anfrage Rückgängig zu machen abgelehnt.
Gopiet:
..
Gopiet:
stop that
Gopiet:
undo
Heraklit:
i rote that before starting our first game
Anfrage Rückgängig zu machen abgelehnt.
Gopiet:
WHAT ??
Heraklit:
wrote
Heraklit:
hi hf no undo
Gopiet:
little bitch

Offline tashley2

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Re: Disable Undo for the game
« Reply #20 on: 07 October 2017, 06:03:20 PM »
Coming from a chess background (no do-overs in rated chess games) I don't like the undo feature.  I've never asked for one,  and never allow it if asked for after cards are drawn or future cards viewed,  I usually allow it otherwise unless the opponent asks for it excessively.  It's definitely the cause of a lot of strife and I'm sure that players' blacklists are much fuller because of the undo feature. 
In my opinion,  Dominion is the best game invented since Chess,  it's so subtle,  there is some luck involved but skill plays a much bigger role.  I think the undo feature does somewhat of a disservice to the game,  there's kind of a pervasive do-over mentality.
In a rated game,  my objective of course is to win if I can,  not to help my opponent win.
I know that a lot of players don't like the undo feature.  Perhaps a poll should be taken on whether players that play here want the undo feature or not. 

Offline Rabid

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Re: Disable Undo for the game
« Reply #21 on: 07 October 2017, 07:17:27 PM »
I would much rather allow a few undo's for miss clicks / rules knowledge.
Than for the game to take a very long time because my opponent is being extra careful.

Offline dane

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Re: Disable Undo for the game
« Reply #22 on: 07 October 2017, 07:42:34 PM »
I would much rather allow a few undo's for miss clicks / rules knowledge.
Than for the game to take a very long time because my opponent is being extra careful.
My feeling precisely.

Unfortunately some misclicks cause information to be revealed, in which case I usually refuse the undo (though in my experience very few players request an undo in such a situation), but I've never refused an undo if no information has been revealed.  Sometimes, however, it can be unclear what the undo refers to - for example if one clicks on 'End Actions' and then requests an undo, it will look to the opponent as though one is asking to undo the previous action - so some improvement to the interface would be desirable when time permits.