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"Remember, these things are designed for amateurs."
"Tell me about it," Ivy snorted. "The user interface is so easy to use, I can't do anything."
Quote from: Seprix on 19 December 2016, 07:20:06 PM
I have now finished and revised all of the texts up to this point. Before, in version v1.0 (not the official Philip & Stef versions for Dominion as a whole, but my own little label for simply the text), I simply finished up the cards, and did not have a consistent format. Now, they should look similar or even better than the official 2nd Edition versions of the cards in most to all cases.
I see nothing else obvious to revise at this point, but if there is anything else you see that is inconsistent, be sure to let me know and I will be happy to go and change it!
You may not immediately see the changes, but when Philip updates the version it should be good to go!
Quote from: randomjoyz on 11 January 2017, 12:25:56 AMQuote from: allanfieldhouse on 10 January 2017, 11:16:42 PMI read what donald wrote and originally felt like this was ok, but after a second thought I realized that IF it was going to be implemented like this, it might as well be implemented like this for every instance you play a crown in (for the sake of the "perfect AdamH ui", because say I have [necropolis, crown, gold] the regular human brain is thinking "OH! let's crown that gold *clicks crown*). By implementing it like this you are teaching the user that this is how the card works, that when you play this card you get to chose if you want to jump to your buy phase or stay in action phase. To me this is both fundamentally wrong (this is not how the card works) and really annoying.
So it sounds like the only interface that makes both sides happy is the following:
When it's still your action phase and you play a Crown with no other action cards in hand, it should ask "Play in Action Phase" or "Play in Buy Phase". Any other situation, it just plays how it currently does.
Quote from: allanfieldhouse on 10 January 2017, 11:16:42 PM
So it sounds like the only interface that makes both sides happy is the following:
When it's still your action phase and you play a Crown with no other action cards in hand, it should ask "Play in Action Phase" or "Play in Buy Phase". Any other situation, it just plays how it currently does.
Quote from: AdamH on 10 January 2017, 10:50:03 PMQuote from: Witherweaver on 10 January 2017, 10:47:10 PM
Clicking the 'End Actions' button is a tad annoying, but the interface making decisions for me, even when it's the decision I was going to make, doesn't strike me as great.
The interface is not making decisions for you. All legal options are still there, it's just that the most commonly used option is the easiest one to do.
Quote from: allanfieldhouse on 10 January 2017, 10:36:03 PM
I guess I got my edge cases and wordings slightly wrong, but my point remains.
When a user has a hand full of treasures, by default they should be crowning treasures. Leave the tricky interface for the tricky edge case.
Quote from: Donald X. on 10 January 2017, 10:33:40 PMQuote from: Witherweaver on 10 January 2017, 10:25:27 PM"Play in Action phase" / "Play in Buy phase." Potentially faster than having to move the mouse over to the "end Action phase" button and then back.
You never play Crown 'as action' or 'as treasure', so that would be extremely confusing. Perhaps 'Play an Action' or 'Play a Treasure'. I think Donald's idea is fine: prompt a kind of 'are you sure?' thing.
QuoteI do not think it's a problem to get a click on a card from the player and figure out that they mean to jump to the Buy phase. The problem is retroactively changing what phase a card was played in, based on further inputs during resolution of it.
Quote from: AdamH on 10 January 2017, 09:26:33 PM
If I'm playing the tabletop game and I Crown a Copper at the start of my turn and my opponent shouts "HEY NO YOU DID NOT ENTER YOUR BUY PHASE YOU CROWNED NO ACTIONS AND PLAYED A COPPER YOU HAVE $1 THERE ARE NO TAKEBACKSIES I DO NOT GRANT YOU THIS" I would stop playing games with that person because that's ridiculous. I just feel like I should only have to go through that explicit step when it actually matters and just be able to play my cards in the obvious way the rest of the time.
Quote from: Haddock on 10 January 2017, 04:24:33 PM
I strongly believe that this FAQ should be linked in (or copied/paraphrased to) the client. It answers quite a lot of questions I had about the way the client works - and I cannot be the only one.
In particular, right-clicking to see what the cards are is crucial, and mentioned nowhere else that I can see.
Quote from: Donald X. on 10 January 2017, 03:35:24 PMQuote from: AdamH on 10 January 2017, 03:34:28 AMI don't imagine it is. For sure it should not be possible to click on Crown in your Action phase and find out you blew it and were supposed to click to end the phase first.
People actually seem to think that the current interface is the best?