Sorry about this but the UI changes are not good...

[jojosamboy]

Really sorry for the criticism but I find the new release nearly unplayable on a browser and completely unplayable on iOS.  Sample point of feedback:  many of the window overlays don't size properly and block critical info and cannot be moved.  I'm a customer, not a playtester, so forgive me for not documenting each of my several specific criticisms -  it was, for me anyways, overwhelming and the opposite of good.  I totally respect that you're running a small passion-driven business, and I guess I'll adjust over time, but I'm pretty good with technology, I rarely have a visceral reaction to technology change, and no doubt about it, I had a very visceral (and not good) reaction to the new UI.

[Michel_Focu]

I'm sure it has been a lot of work to make these UI changes but as for now I have to say I agree with jojosamboy here. I really hope other updates will come along and make it better and smoother, for now it's all laggy, messy and hard to use on different platforms (Android for example). I found the older version just perfectly simple and user-friendly.

The steam version coming out pretty soon, hope you can correct all that before it comes out or I'm afraid there'll be a wave of players leaving to steam and its terribly expensive version.

[alhill42]

I totally agree. I am using an iPad on Chrome and I couldn't see how to start a game until I rotated the tablet. The start button was hidden. So I left the game vertical but couldn't buy a Province unless I rotated the tablet to landscape because the other player info was blocking it. Important info is hidden depending upon orientation so rotation is necessary throughout the game making it almost unplayable. I hope these issues are fixed quickly. 

[Gertrude5]

I totally agree. Am very disappointed. Have been playing previous version on an IPad for years. I'm a paying customer. The new interface doesn't fit the screen properly. I can't see the resign or undo buttons whichever way I rotate the device and cards overlap blocking useful information. Please return us to previous version until you correct these problems.

[Az]

Also playing in Chrome on an iPad. Couldn't find the chat or how to resign. My hand covers how many coffer I have. In preferences it is impossible to scroll down and change the animation level. Etc, many issues with new design.

[eliasZ]

A few things about the new UI are better. But overall, I don't think it is an improvement.

There are a few things I don't like about the new UI, that other people haven't mentioned yet, as far as I can tell:

• The mystery meat navigation, with all these cryptic icons, whose purpose is not clear until I hover my mouse cursor over them. I miss the old "Undo", "Resign", "Kingdom", etc. buttons. And I think new users, and people on touch devices without mice, would like the old buttons more.
• Picking expansions. Suppose I want to start a game with only Base (or maybe Base plus one expansion). Before, that was easy. Now, all the expansions are selected, and I have to manually unselect them by clicking each of the icons for them (which by the way are an example of what I mean above by cryptic icons). Not the biggest problem, but this is definitely worse than what you had before.
• You removed the option to play custom kingdoms rated? Does that mean there is no (easy) way to play a game using only Base and Seaside, and have it rated? Why???

It is not all bad though. Some things are definitely better.

• Undoing multiple moves is easier. Any way to access this functionality is better than the Easter egg you had before.
• Premoves seem like a cool idea, although I haven't actually tried them yet.

Maybe I need some time to get used to it.

[The Duke of Duchy]

I signed up on the forums just to leave feedback that the new UI is a horrible resource hog and really takes you out of the game. I probably will still play every day but the choppiness is super aggravating!

Thankfully you can disable the animations - but even with that things are really choppy still? I play on an MBP and I can't imagine what this would be like on a lesser machine...

Clearly, a very talented JS developer wanted to flex some of his skills on the animations here but we're sacrificing way too much in performance with all of this

Anyways, been playing daily for years, was excited to see the UI changes initially but very much not so after playing two rounds today. If I wasn't so horribly addicted to this game I'd definitely be leaving forever after this update..

[no expansions]

Gotta agree as well. Forget about the new interfaces, that's debatable whether it's better or worse. I think it's worse.

But the biggest problem is the game is so laggy now.

[Timaaah]

So good before, so much worse now.

[Timaaah]

Post game stats/scoring/cards owned is basically unreadable compared to being perfectly fine before.

Please go back to the old UI.

[Gamergurldaddy]

Agreed. It's clear that a lot of work went to the new interface but the playing experience has truly decreased significantly. There's too much going on in the new interface that it becomes less about the game itself and more about the fancy interface. It's impossible to see multiple cards in hand, hard to resign a game and undo moves. The game also crashes too frequently because all of the movement in the interface. I feel disappointed

[Ingix]

Again I'll forward this thread!

[Adamski]

Please please please revert back to the old UI, this new one sucks

[hairofthedog]

I play a lot on my Android phone, but that seems to be a nightmare now (and the screen goes black when I finish a game.

Tried a few games on my laptop today. Works, but feels like I'm playing a Commodore 64 game in some weird emulator.

[HikeDog]

I am unable to click on an action card?

[HikeDog]

The whole platform seems to have been screwed up.  For some reason, I'm unable to click an action.

[artsfols]

I think it will get there.

I like the Levels concept, and at first, it seemed wonky, but today the levels interface looked very nice.  You can see which ideas are introduced at each level, and the cards that incorporate that idea in their instructions.  Very nicely done.

I also noticed that the game results summary was tremendously improved today over yesterday.  It looked awful yesterday - good today.

The play seems a bit sluggish though, as others have noted. 

Part of the problem has to be the degree that an interface becomes intuitive - no change is going to be good.  I write software for truck dispatchers (among other users) and after they've used a particular program every day for years, it's almost a matter of tearing the old program from their bleeding hands before they will try something new.  Of course, this also works in our favour for dispatchers that have used our software for years.

I certainly wouldn't ditch this new effort but just stay tuned to the complaints.  Each complaint is an opportunity to make it just a bit better.
It's going to be fun switching to the gold level and using levels to ease my way into it.

One thing on levels.  The description indicates a parameter to set the lower bounds of the level for matching purposes.  But I haven't seen that parameter anywhere.  Where is it?

[Rmanning07]

Aye, freaking awful, cant even log in or interact with any buttons
Ps. Still love yall, hope to play soon. Xoxo

[sm.sm]

Chrome on iPad.
Right after the update it was almost unplayable: the game was getting really slow, after game ends the buttons are obscured.
Now I can not even lo in (nothing happens after I enter the user name and the password.

[Ingix]

I play a lot on my Android phone, but that seems to be a nightmare now (and the screen goes black when I finish a game.

At end of game the game loads the end-of-game screen, including some pictures. This takes a bit of time the first time it happens, so that explains the black screen in the mean time.

[AdamH]

I play a lot on my Android phone, but that seems to be a nightmare now (and the screen goes black when I finish a game.

At end of game the game loads the end-of-game screen, including some pictures. This takes a bit of time the first time it happens, so that explains the black screen in the mean time.

I'm getting a black screen for about 10 seconds, and it's not just the first game I play. An easy fix is to load this stuff when the game starts, or maybe you don't actually need pictures on the end game screen?

[Elines]

Please go back on the old ui, it is so laggy on my iPad and I can't see my exil.

[Mysmasken]

I'm not one to usually create an account on a forum (is that even a thing anymore, hello 2022!), but I took the time because I'm so very sad and upset. Dominion is my pass-time while I work. No, it doesn't affect my work, but it makes time pass quicker. I hadn't logged on in a few days, so I was quite surprised yesterday when everything looked different, but figured I could adjust to it... Until I got into a game. All these flashy cards swooshing across the screen, I really didn't need that. Or the lag that comes with it. Cards that don't fit on the screen anymore, and all over worse than before. Not everything needs a remodel or fix, I wish people would realize that.

So I finished the game, cause I didn't want to be rude and leave, but I've just been miserable all day :( I wish there was a way to still play the old version. As it stands now, I'll have to find some other pass-time online, because I have no desire to play this anymore. Too bad I got sucked into paying for another year of expansions, and I'm good until the end of the year. Feels like a waste of money now. Who would've thought this would happen?

Anyways, thansk for the years of fun, and sorry it came to this.

[Ingix]

Please go back on the old ui, it is so laggy on my iPad and I can't see my exil.

When people say it's laggy that used to mean the server and/or the connection was slow. Now I guess (but of course you can correct me if I'm misinterpreting) people mean that their animations take too long. The default speed was the slowest IIRC. You can change that in the options, and even (persisting) during the game:

I can't see my exil.

For now the tip when on mobile you can't see the most downward part of the screen is to disable the toolabr.

[Ingix]

I'm so very sad and upset. ... All these flashy cards swooshing across the screen, I really didn't need that. Or the lag that comes with it.

You can change the animation speed to much faster than was was the default, and you can even remove it completely (the fast animations speed in "None").

... Cards that don't fit on the screen anymore, and all over worse than before.

I haven't seen the "cards that don't fit on screen" error before, or read about it. Can you say under which circumstances that happens?

Too bad I got sucked into paying for another year of expansions, and I'm good until the end of the year. Feels like a waste of money now. Who would've thought this would happen?

I'm not sure what the policy is, or if there even is a policy. But I'll ask if you can be refunded if you say so. I can't promise anything, but it would seem reasonable to me.

[mark1878]

I want to congratulate the developers on making things better.

I would first note re lag - I suspect the card updater speed - pehaps the default should be none - or perhaps depend on how many games you have done - newbies get default slow anmd old hands get the fast one.

I mainly play on desktop as old and new was difficult for me on a large iPad.

The end screen has improved so that it is much nbetter than the original chnage - however the order by number of cards you have seems odd.

The trash, exile etc parts are much better than the old one having to chnage from the log and remeber to click back, the first new version was not 100% but they have fixed the bug of the window not disappearing.

When you have to see all your cards - to choose trashing etc is now OK, on the old version if you had many cards you could not see how many times you clicked on a type of card. The new version shows that although sometimes the card to click on does go to the back

[JKRich]

My thoughts on the changes: Fortunately my subscription ran out just before the changeover so I won't have to pay if it stays this bad. I've played several free(base) games to check out the changes. From how I learned the game IRL I like to play with 2-3 bot opponents. How the new version handles multiple opponents is just horrible IMHO. Instead of having each opponent's info box and deck/discard pile along the top, the info boxes are all along the left edge of the screen, placed above the Province/Gold piles. At the top, toward the center-right is shown a face down fanned out representation of the number of cards of the next opponent to play, although there's no labeling of who that is. You do not see their face down pile size labelled like before, nor the top card of their discard pile. Why would a supposedly improved game take away information? To the left of that is the traditional representation of the cards of the following player to play, with no representation for any other opponents. Then in between my turns there is this chaotic, disorienting shifting back and forth of piles, rotating to show the current player's cards-in-hand (only) towards the center-right, etc. and the info boxes continually shifting moving the box of a player who just plated to the bottom and others up (or to the right for the next to play).

Sorry but for me at least this is TERRIBLE. When I want to relax and play Dominion I don't want to have to think between turns "Who's playing? What's their score, deck size, etc.?" while lost in the chaotic shifting of information. There was absolutely nothing wrong with how this area of the game functioned before. Now it's awful. And again this is only playing the base game. I have no idea what other frustration I might find if I renewed my Gold subscription (subscriber since day 1) -- although I know I liked the old familiar cards idea, not because certain cards weren't familiar but because by labeling them as such I could avoid playing with more cards/card-shaped things I didn't like than the banned list allows by labeling things like Fool unfamiliar.

But still, I would likely renew if the way multiple opponents is handled goes back to how it was. As it is, I guess it's a good time to try and break my Dominion addiction. Oh, for me playing via Win10/Firefox, unlike what some others seem to have indicated the animation actually functions faster that before. Even the slowest option is way faster than before (I actually wish I could slow it down a little bit more). Thanks for reading this.

[Steppe76]

I am also a paying user. Since the new update i cant find so who plays with me. I wait for minutes but nobody enters. In times of the old version i found within seconds so to play with.
I love to play with blackmarket to learn how to play all other cards. Impossible now, or i cant choose a rated game.
But how i said - i cant find a partner to play with.
Thats stupid, it made much fun before, but i wont pay money for this game ver again. Totally unplayable.

[Ingix]

Are you using automatch to find a playing partner or do you make a table and wait for someone to join?

Using automatch is the method you are "supposed" to be using for that purpose, when making tables it is known (from the version before 1.6) that sometimes you get players immediately, sometimes you have to wait a long time.

To find out why you don't get automatched (if that is what you are using):

Can you post a screenshot of your automatch screen, with the full automatch details visible, like this:



If it only shows a shorter version, like below, clicking on the small triangle marked here will extend it:



Playing rated games with Black Market:
Due to ratings abuse, you can no longer have a rated game with preselected cards (like Black Market). OTOH, the new card pool level feature should allow you to do mostly what you wanted, step by step expand what cards you see in games. You can find detais here:

http://forum.shuffleit.nl/index.php?topic=5271.msg21590#msg21590

[mermaidmelody18]

I'm having issues of my own. The old version let me choose cards I liked and didn't like and now I can only have 5 disliked and 5 banned before it was unlimited. I don't like that they changed this. If someone knows how to have more than 5 disliked cards at a time okease help.

[Ingix]

Unfortunately, the Familiar Cards concept was not useful for the majority of players and has been completely removed. The supposed way to learn cards is restricting them by level now. If you are using automatch, then it will most likely stay at 5 banned + 5 disliked cards.

[Stef]

Unfortunately, the Familiar Cards concept was not useful for the majority of players and has been completely removed. The supposed way to learn cards is restricting them by level now. If you are using automatch, then it will most likely stay at 5 banned + 5 disliked cards.

Enough people are troubled by this change though, and it's become quite likely there will be another change in the next week or so to mitigate this. I don't know exactly how yet.

[backagain]

1) For the Automatching, I select the base set levels and I get matches with advanced cards.
2) Desyncs from the server. When my turn is over, people often ask why my turn is not over yet, but it's over on my side. Must refresh the web page.
3) The kingdom selection interface is very buggy, can't select remodel from base set, even when typing it in the text field.
3) The level of the opponent is no longer displayed.

One law of software development: "If it ain't broke, don't fix it."   I don't see any benefits you're going for in this new interface. Seems like change for the sake of change.

Whoever made the decision to change a perfectly good interface has wasted good money paying developers and should be fired. The testing prior to release was quite bad too.

[Ingix]

1) Unfortunately, the default for the Allies Preview is "Yes", so you will get cards from the soon to be released Dominion: Allies expansion. You should turn it off (Select "No" and deselect "Yes" for Previews, the first line in the automatch pane).

2) It seems to come up rarely, we are not sure yet of the reasons  :(

3) I can confirm that, the base cards seem to be "gone" from my kingdom selection as well. Will investigate and forward the bug!

4) I assume that is a consequence of 1) Preview games are by default unrated, so no rating is shown.

[Steppe76]

Cant even play platin as rated game? WTF???????????????????????????????
First and last time u got money from me. The weeks before update I played every day for hours, since then not one f... game. Why did u detroy that game? Was this on purpose? So well done then. Goal accomplished.

[Turn turn]

Each day again i get connection issues after playing 2-3 games, so it seems.It is very annoying how laggy the UI seems to be, mu turns often now take minutes while I usually played it fast in five to 10 seconds. Very frustrating, please tell le what to,do because this is unacceptable.

[Ingix]

Have you changed your animation speed? You can change it (among other options) during a game by a click on the gear icon:



The animations speed is the slider, the standard value is quite slow for most players, moving the slider dial to the right makes the animations faster.

[Turn turn]

Yes i tried all options for the animation speed but it has no impact for me :( what other solutions are available?

[Ingix]

Since I have no idea what the cause of this lag could be, it's hard to say what to do. Are you playing on a tablet/mobile device or a PC/laptop?